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Wrongly accused…

Linux, Open Source, Hackers, and a lot more are wrongly accused of a variety of things every day.

  • You can’t play games on Linux – WRONG You can play pretty much every game in Windows within Linux, granted you have to use emulation (i.e., Wine or Cedega), but you can play them and play them just as well.
  • Linux is to hard – WRONG If an 80 year old woman who has never touched a computer in her life can use it, then it obviously isn’t to hard. Linux has become a lot easier in recent years since GNOME, KDE, and others have worked hard on usability.
  • Linux is for hackers – WRONG Linux is for everyone! Whether you are a coder, a gamer, a musician, or just a typical user, Linux is for you just as much as Windows or Mac OS X is. Also for those of you who think hackers are bad, read the next line and re-train your vocabulary.
  • Hackers broke into my system – WRONG A script kiddie or a cracker has broken into your system. Hackers are ethical programmers who don’t want to take advantage but create more advantages to what is there. Hackers are the people who write the code that make Linux, Microsoft, Mac OS X, and anything else on your computer do what it does. Crackers are the bad people, hackers are the good people. Stop confusing the two, this goes especially to Merriam Webster, other dictionaries, major media outlets, and our very own governments. Put this as a mental note, and remember it forever, don’t always believe what you read, especially this blog!
  • Open Source isn’t good for the IT world – WRONG The IT world wouldn’t be where it is today without Open Source. Besides being a culture that enjoys all of their freedoms, Open Source pretty much rules what you do and see on the Internet. Open Source allows many to view the code and offer fixes immediately whether they are simple bugs or major security issues. Open Source makes it possible for fixes to be made available within hours. Closed source or binary code makes it impossible for many to view it and offer opinions, so you will always have to wait for that small team in Redmond or wherever they are to figure out how to fix the solution. Think of Open Source as a collaborative effort among millions of diversified individuals to bring you the greatest and most secure applications. Diversity is good thing right?

There are many other misconceptions or false accusations that tend to annoy me as I am sure it annoys many others as well. There are many great people who talk about Open Source and Free Software, but hardly to you ever hear them shoot down the falsities that many people put on them. If we are going to remain a culture, it is time we stand up to the IT bigots who try to shame us or better yet the ignorant media and our not-so-perfect government (this goes for every government in the world). So, what can we do as a culture to spread the positive word about us and to put to rest the bogus misrepresentation that is put on us?

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  • jh

    I disagree with the games part. You can’t play nearly every game in linux that you can in windows. In many cases, the emulation required to accomplish it is darn nigh impossible or produces a game that is unplayable. Look at Civ IV or Burning Crusade or any newly released game. It’s an arms race and it’s one that linux can NEVER WIN due to the fact that Microsoft keeps changing the APIS and what not in DirectX and other such areas.

    Let’s be honest when we promote linux. It is a very strong OS in many areas, but gaming is just not one of those areas.

    (And no, I don’t think it is right or fair or whatever to tell a person that they have to edit five to ten config files to play WoW.)

  • http://alexvalentine.org/blog alex

    You can’t play games in Linux, except for a few. Any emulation hack violates your second myth, that Linux is hard. One cannot download an exe installer, and expect the game to install/be able to run it from the Applications menu. Ask a gamer to configure some emulation environment is way too much, and wine out of the box will not run most modern games, unconfigued.

  • http://www.linuxgamingworld.com LGW

    You are correct that there are games for Linux, but I would disagree with your reasoning. Games played through Caldera are not run in a way supported by the publishers. There are literally thousands of free and no-cost games available for Linux, and there are hundreds of commercially supported Linux games, too.

  • Stoffe

    I work with games, for a living. Trust me, not even most games are actually runnable, and many that are performs badly, with Wine, Cedega or CrossOver Office, even after manual tweaks and config edits and help from skilled people.

    I’m still choosing Ubuntu as my main working platform for a number of other reasons. And I’m not knocking the efforts of these people who try to get Windows apps working, but I must speak up here, because it’s false advertising to say that this works, when in reality it doesn’t. Claiming otherwise will only serve to disappoint. While I agree that it would be totally awesome if it did work, and I wish there were more effort in this area, for now we should be “selling” Linux on its actual merits, which are manyfold as it is. :)

  • Stoffe

    Oh, and:

    It’s an arms race and it’s one that linux can NEVER WIN due to the fact that Microsoft keeps changing the APIS and what not in DirectX and other such areas.

    Actually, they don’t, if you mean that they try to change APIs to make it harder on the competition. If so, older games would stop working, and generally, they don’t. What they do is that they push out new versions with more API and more functionality, while keeping all the old calls. Technically, this should be a good thing, because it means more features for developers to use, but the end result is of course the same, it’s nigh impossible to keep up with the latest versions.

  • http://blog.nixternal.com nixternal

    Wow, gamers responses big time.

    Alex, emulation doesn’t defy the second myth, especially when setting up Cedega is actually quite easy, and with the forums and support they have over there, even my brother has been able to get his games running (which is a very scary thought).

    Stoffe, I have seen pretty much all of todays latest games running in Cedega quite impressively. I seen no loss whatsoever from any of them either.

    As a matter of fact a local gaming cafe has recently setup their gaming center with OpenSUSE 10.2 with Cedega and he keeps the place filled. He said his cost for 50 machines running OpenSUSE 10.2 was less than $25,000 and with the money he proposed for Windows licenses he was able to get a setup with Cedega. I don’t think he has had a complaint yet, as I have seen that place filled no matter the time of day that I go there. Kids must be ditching school or something, go figure :)

    Of course we can continue selling Linux with all of its current strong points, but if anyone follows the news, the largest industry at this time is the gaming industry. Granted a majority of that industry is console related, but the rest is open. Linux can play games, I have seen it with my own eyes. Now I don’t follow all of the crazy games out there any more I must admit, but I am able to play all of the ID games w/o emulation, and even played some Battlefield which was pretty cool. Other than that, it is Sudoku and Hearts for me :)

  • http://www.paulmellors.net Paul Mellors

    thank you thank you thank you, someone at last who knows the difference between a cracker and a hacker :)

  • http://blog.nixternal.com nixternal

    HAHA! Yes, this has always annoyed me, and every time I have read and article from a major media outlet, I have emailed them. I emailed congress here in the US and let them know they have no clue what they are talking about. Todays little episode was brought on by a recent story published on the LA Times website.

    I even emailed Merriam Webster today letting them know they have it wrong as well. We shall see.

  • http://blog.nixternal.com Treat

    I play microsoft hearts in WINE, fps is shit though =(

  • MattW

    If you look at Cedega’s compatibility database you’ll find that support for windows games in emulation is extremely patchy. I looked into it a couple of months back in some detail, and you find that while some games are supposed to run perfectly, others I want to play – Like C&C Generals – have only partial support, including unpleasant things like the multiplayer not working right. You can play games in Linux – IF you choose very carefully which games you play, and that’s not something for the non-techies yet.

  • http://blog.nixternal.com nixternal

    HAHA! You can play GNOME-Hearts as well. Works great :)

    Also, I just received an email back from the LA Times about their bogus use of the term Hacker. He knows about the issue with the definition and tried to persuade me to think that his use of it was valid as what the people did was good. It was good, but still cracking code or encryption for illegal use comes with a barrier I guess. We need to stop DRM from the corporate level and we shouldn’t be illegally cracking their code to stop it. All this does is piss the corporations off into trying to create even more DRM.

  • jh

    Do you HAVE Cedega?

    I’m trying to set up guild wars in it. It continually crashes. I go to the “forum” for Guild Wars on Cedega, and I see a bunch of people talking about how they know this is an issue and they suggest a variety of things to solve it that vary between running the latest CVS wine for updates and altering the config files, creating SymLinks, and the like.

    Same thing occurs with WoW: BC. Same thing occurs with Civ IV. Same thing occurs with nearly every game out there. Oblivion. Phantasy Star Universe. Etc etc etc.

    That’s not easy. That’s not fun. And by far, it’s not enough to convince any one to switch.

    It’s not nearly as point and click as you make it to be.

  • http://blog.nixternal.com nixternal

    jh: No I don’t have Cedega, I think I said a few responses up that I do not game. I never said that Cedega was perfect, I let it be known Cedega is there.

    It’s not nearly as point and click as you make it to be.

    If you could please show me where I said it was as easy as point and click I will buy you whatever the hell you want. Hell, if you can show me where I made it out to be as easy as point and click I will do the same.

    I am sorry for your issues you are having with Cedega. I expressed my opinions as well as what I have seen with my very own eyes. I seen it work, I watched them frag, and I seen them smile. Never did I say “I saw them set it up.” So please, before you accuse me of something, make sure you have your facts straight.

    There are issues with everything everywhere. Because my Honda won’t start, that isn’t fun, but yet I still convince people to buy a Honda. I guess Honda is no good because my car will not start. See, it doesn’t work. If you reread my initial post, you can see I said that “Gaming in Linux is impossible” was a misconception as you can game and yes you can still play a majority of the popular games in Linux using Cedega. Never did I say that using Cedega to play games was a snap, was point and click, ready, load, kill ‘em.

  • jh

    Look, you said that Linux is wrongly accused of not being able to game. You said that most games are playable and fun in Cedega. You then said linux is not too hard.

    The fact is, you can’t have both those statements. I’m a professional developer with a focus on Unix Programming and _I_ have trouble getting Cedega to work. I do know that for situations like your friends, Transgaming will offer custom solutions.. perhaps they did all the work in this case. I don’t know. I do know that if you want to keep the statement “You can play most games in linux” , then you need to toss the “Linux is not too hard” statement.

    Yes, what TG are doing is wonderful. But.. easy? Heck no. Not even close.

  • http://blog.nixternal.com nixternal

    1) Cedega is not Linux
    2) Cedega may not be easy
    3) Linux is easy

    So there is no need to retract any one of those statements as you can still have both.

  • http://moranar.com.ar Adriano

    If Cedega is your recommended way to play Windows games, it better be easy. After all, with that excuse I could say all the fault in “Linux” being hard to use falls on other apps (Openoffice, KDE, GNOME, etc.). What’s easy, then, the kernel?

    Point 3: about the definition of “hacker”: when major dictionaries, the media and the common person have extended the original meaning, we’ve lost. Let’s get over it and do fun stuff. Hacker now has two meanings. Sorry. Like Pirate, its meaning has been _extended_. Sorry if I seem to come down hard, but it’s a general remark of my opinion.
    If someone calls you for help with a rooted box, and you say “they’re not hackers, they’re _crackers_”, it’s not helpful, it’s a waste of time. Just say “I won’t help you, sorry”.
    You say tom-ay-to, I say to-mah-to. It’s the same thing in the end: the box is compromised. Let’s fix it and get on with it.

    And finally, for the grammar police: Linux can’t be “to” hard. It might be “too” hard. And since that’s a subjective term, it definitely can, no matter how easy it is for you. Setting up a Linux system is still new and hard for the common person, because setting up _any_ system is still new and hard for them. It’s made even harder because they usually want to keep their existing data, so one can’t overwrite the partition and be done with it.

  • http://www.linuxgamingworld.com LGW

    To Adriano: Linux is to hard as Microsoft is to free.

  • http://blog.nixternal.com nixternal

    LGW: HAHA! That is the best analogy I have seen yet :)

    Adriano: Never did I recommend Cedega. Linux is just as hard or easy as Windows, however Windows does make it easier to ruin your system. If I was to take 10 users, split them down the middle and give half Windows and half Linux (these users have the same exact knowledge), and in one week so who had the most issues, I am willing to bet the people using Windows is going to be like “what are all these virus warnings, spyware warnings, etc” and the Linux user won’t get that junk at all. However, if we didn’t set the users up with everything to make their experience seamless (i.e., Flash, Java, win32codecs and such), that would be the biggest question. But if all that was setup in Linux prior to them starting it, there wouldn’t be a question. My sister and her kids have been using Ubuntu (sister) and Edubuntu (kids) for over a month, and not once have they called me with a question. Hell, when my sister had Windows XP she would literally call me weekly and 90% of the time it had to do with virus warnings, ripping a CD, or trying to watch a DVD. Granted there is a slim chance she hasn’t been using the computer, which I doubt since she is addicted to Yahoo Music.

    As for the whole Hacker/Cracker thing, if we do nothing about it the trend will continue. Next Linux will mean the Devil, and Windows will mean God. No more rolling over and accepting what the ignorant ones try to spread.

    I think Setting up a Linux system, especially Ubuntu is slightly easier for the common person than say setting up XP or 2000. Vista doesn’t count, as their install stuff is crap. With Ubuntu you have like 6 or 7 steps graphically and you have an installed system. Granted dual booting isn’t an easy task. Also, with a user wanting to save their existing data, I don’t care if it is Windows, OS X, or Linux it is going to be hard for them. Granted backing up data is damn near identical in all 3 from the desktop.

  • http://xabbott.wordpress.com xabbott

    First point wrong. Emulation and the driver installation would be enough to drive people away. Not to mention this also makes your second point wrong.

    Second point, subjective. Can I plays mp3s, world of warcraft, use itunes, or watch DVDs after an install? Depends on the distro, but for the most part…no.

    Third, Linux isn’t for everyone. Some people need a little thing called…Adobe products. Also currently the mid-low end multimedia editors suck. It’s also not for gamers, see point one.

    Forth, cry as you might. No one cares about the hacker v cracker difference. They care as much about it as the Linux v GNU/Linux difference.

    I use Archlinux and have Ubuntu installed on two of family member’s computers. I like Linux and I would like to continue seeing it grow. I’m just not delusional about it.

  • http://blog.nixternal.com nixternal

    I don’t care if emulation and driver installation would drive people away. I said you could play the games using emulation and what not. So you can play games in Linux. I have seen it with my own damn eyes. You can play mp3s on a few distros, and it is easily added with ubuntu. World of Warcraft I have no clue about, iTunes is for Windows and Mac, and watching DVDs is trivial to setup as well. So yes I will go with the second point being subjective.

    Linux is for everyone! I don’t care what anyone says :) Don’t know what Adobe products are needed as I don’t follow that side much at all. Well, not all multimedia editors suck if Pixar decided on Linux years ago (damn you Jobs for purchasing that after you lost the initial bid). I will give you that it isn’t a gaming system (yet?).

    Linux, GNU/Linux, Hacker, Cracker, Black, White, Christian, Athiest…These are all made up people who do care what is incorrectly stated about their culture. Cry I just might do, as I have always been told that a closed mouth doesn’t get fed. Like I said previously, our cultures need to stop letting people walk all over it.

    I guess coming from a marketing and executive management background, my views of Open Source and Linux are very high. Definitely compared to Windows or Mac OS X. All 3 do something better than the other, and so far, Windows only does games better.

  • http://moranar.com.ar Adriano

    “Linux is for everyone! I don’t care what anyone says”

    I figured as much. But then, why enable comments on the post and answer to them? A smiley doesn’t excuse the phrase.

    Please, don’t equate the GNU/Linux – Linux discussion to the differences and grievances between black people and white people, or between Christians and Atheists. That’s a complete misrepresentation of the situation. Unless someone dies because of it, this is _just_ an operating system.

    But you don’t really care, you’ve made up your mind, and wasted my time. Why do I keep thinking people want to listen to dissent on their blog?

    Finally, I don’t care about your background in marketing or executive management. It’s not relevant to the topic, and bringing it up is just arguing by authority.

  • http://blog.nixternal.com nixternal

    Heh, just like your shoes, you must have left your sense of humor at the door. I used the black/white, christian/athiest analogy to show that no matter what culture or philosophy you believe in, misconceptions and misguided truths actually do hurt and if you just roll over and let it continue then everything you stand for or believe in will eventually fade.

    I always keep an open mind, and I enjoy the discussions that this blog post has received. It is great to see the different sides of it, the diversity amongst our community is important, and the debate is very well necessary. I am being argumentative on one side just to see how deeply people actually feel and believe in the philosophy of Free and Open Source Software. So all in all, the cats out of the bag, I have not made up my mind. If I came here and agreed with every post/comment that was left, then a commenting system would be useless.

    And yes, marketing and executive management does matter and is relevant to my beliefs and how I see the Linux market and community. How can I sit back in an executive position and marketing Linux to my company and others if I don’t believe in it? Arguing by authority is way off though, as I am currently a student again finishing degrees, so I am sure you know we are at the bottom of the food chain (especially when our pockets contain nothing more than lint).

    I still believe that Linux is for everyone, just like Mac OS X and Windows is for everyone. Like I stated earlier, each OS has its advantages over the other, and then it has its disadvantages. So now, after further discussions, I now know that we need to work big time on the gaming market, which I do believe there are some companies out there working with game manufacturers in order to achieve cross-platform gaming. We know that ATI & NVidia screw us because they will not open their drivers. WiFi is screwing us to as there are only a handful of chipset that will work out of the box. For the past 10 years, I have used pretty much Linux 95% of the time. The only time I went back to windows was during the early parts of 2000 when I got into gaming. I also had to use Windows for AutoCAD. Other than that, I have been able to administer Windows networks, and pretty much everything else one can think of when it comes to system administration. I am trying to think what else needs some major improvements as well, and I haven’t had my tea yet, so please, what else needs major improvements?

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  • https://launchpad.net/~crimsun Daniel

    A matter of ideology, my dear Adriano, does not excuse it’s “just an operating system”. No, it’s not. To say that something is just an operating system belittles the people whose blood, sweat, and tears are poured of their volition into these Free/Libre Open Source Software (FLOSS) projects.

  • http://roadninja.com Dave

    Please, please do not say we can play games on linux–especially not with cedega. Thats like saying you can carry skiis on a motorcycle, and it is a personal insult to those of us that have wasted countless hours trying to play triple-A titles on their linux box.

    I am, of course, very appreciative of transgaming’s attempts to make windows games work on linux, but, as a product meant to transplant the windows gaming experience onto the linux operating system, cedega is an almost unilateral failure. Sure, you can spend 10 hours searching for howtos and tweaking DLLs to play halflife, and sure you can play a scant few polished games like Battle for Wesnoth, but these are the shiny exceptions to a grim reality. Microsoft has a well fortified vendor lock-in setup with directX, and they aren’t relinquishing that advantage anytime soon.

    Maybe gaming on linux is better than the average perception. Maybe gaming on linux doesnt get enough credit. I’ll give you that.

  • rottie

    I agree with what most people say here. Gaming in Linux is not comparable with Windows. (due to vendor lock and much smaller market)
    So, yes, you can play games on Linux. Most of them basic card, puzzle, .. games. Some quality (even 3d) games: wesnoth, tribal trouble, … And a few good ports of good games (loki). Everything else depends on your luck with emulators.
    I loved Loki for what they did but money got involved and managers turned evil and the company died. :’( Really broke my heart. They made good quality ports. the way it should be.
    Step 1: buy the game
    Step 2: insert Cd and run setup program
    Step 3: play

    That is how it should be for linux gaming to equal windows gaming. If I want to play, I want to play. I don’t want to spend hours on searching, tuning, reading forum’s and cursing wine.

    As for the “linux is not hard”. Hmm, i don’t know. It kinda is sometimes. I’ve been doing the linux thing 10 years now. Ten years and sometimes I still get so frustrated. Especially when working in “other” distribution then my normal one. It’s not even possible to buy hardware in impulse in a shop because well, often the hardware wont work.

    I love my system, but don’t lie about it. You have to be willing to invest a lot of your time to learn, and configure and learn and read forums if you want to switch. So don’t say it is not hard. Sometimes it isn’t easy at all.

  • http://blog.nixternal.com nixternal

    HERE

    HERE

    Sure, there will be a learning curve switching between distros, just as there were learning curves switching between versions of Windows or Mac OS. There is a learning curve with everything in life, but that learning curve doesn’t make something “not easy.” Sometimes Windows isn’t easy, or Mac OS isn’t easy, but do we still consider them easy to use operating systems?

    My brother is using Kubuntu now for about 4 months and hasn’t had a problem. My sister hasn’t called me, my brother has called me a couple of times trying to figure out what application he should use for pirating (see what the windows generation gave us). Of course I told him Windows is the best for pirating! :)

    OK, as soon as I get some memory for my main desktop, I am going to purchase Cedega and go through it with a fine tooth comb. I have heard a lot of people with issues with it, but there is an entire gaming clan around here in Chicago that only uses Linux and Cedega, and they are showing up at LAN parties with their Linux rigs. I would love to get a hold of them (Mr_H if you are reading this blog, fill me in) and see what is easy and what isn’t. To many people are complaining about Cedega and comparing to what I have seen and heard from local gamers, I am getting 2 different sides.

    Linux, just as Windows or Mac OS, is only as hard as you make it. Wow, I actually forgot about my 10 year old daughter who has been using Edubuntu for over a year now without any problems. Granted she never had the chance to get accustomed to Windows. Before she had her own computer she was using my Slackware, SUSE, or Debian boxes to do her homework and what not.

    I think the big problem Windows has created, or fed into, is making people lazier. I just heard this on TV right before I started typing this about how lazy Americans are (I am in Chicago so don’t go off telling me I have something against America). It isn’t a lie, if you look there are more people exploiting our unemployment and our welfare systems just so they don’t have to work. But anyways, anything could possibly be hard if you are lazy :) Believe me, I know!

    I know Mac OS X was difficult for me to learn. I don’t use Windows, don’t own pirated or legal copies of Windows, and haven’t used Windows since about 2001 when I totally quit gaming. I used Win2K every now and then if I had to work on a CAD project, but other than that, I have been using Linux pretty religiously since then. I will agree that there are times I get frustrated with Linux and that I run across something that isn’t easy, but I think that goes with any operating system or any piece of software. Unless you are an expert in every aspect of the system.

    I will admit there is still work to be done on the usability side of Linux, but the one thing that does make Linux far more surperior is the fact you can do just about anything in the terminal. I have done some Linux classes and it seems I get the same response about the terminal from new users, and that it is intriguing and they feel smarter using it (this is older people, you know in their 30′s and higher) :) Now younger kids that I notice at school, there will be a learning curve. All they talk about is MySpace anyways so I am sure the don’t even know how to use anything more than IE.

    So Dave, we can play games with Cedega. There are people on IRC right now talking about it and I know people here in Chicago that game with it, and have seen it in action flawlessly. Until I say “we can play games easily in Linux” I don’t think there is a valid argument about being able to play games. You do however add to the growing list of people who have had issues with Cedega and I think it would be great if we could possibly work towards helping Cedega with their issues. Wasn’t there a Seattle Project or something that was supposed to be working on some cross platform stuff?

    Rottie, I agree with the frustrations of switching between distros, but this doesn’t make Linux hard. I think people who are “Using” Windows (not just for email and Internet) are also reading the forums in order to fix the spyware, malware, or virus issues they get, or setting up and configuring games for their HP or Dell basic desktops that run a game, but not run it good because of a cruddy video card. So, Linux isn’t hard, but yes there may be times where it isn’t easy, I will give you that. But “sometimes” doesn’t mean all of the time.

    Man, I used a lot of Linux, Windows, Mac OS comparisons and that is bad. Why? We shouldn’t be using Windows as the golden standard of what an operating system is (thanks manchicken for this statement in IRC). Windows is by far the worst configuration I have seen, and Vista is God awful. Mac OS is not to shabby as it has the right amount of flash/eyecandy and functionality. It seems Vista went for the flash, but left the functionality in DOS. I am a KDE user, and I know that switching to GNOME isn’t the easiest thing for me either at times. There is without a doubt a lot of work to still be done with Linux and that is something that makes it exciting. As you get to see the work get finished openly.

    I thank each and every one of you for your comments. I know there are issues to still be worked out, but I got a good idea about where we stand. Funny nobody really commented on the Hacker/Cracker thing or the Open Source being bad, I guess those were OK, and I love the fact that gaming and easiness created controversy. Thanks a lot everyone. If you have a blog I will be more than happy to add it to my blogroll because you all rock!

  • manchicken

    All of these proprietary gaming solutions are nice and all, but we still need to remember to show some love to the free software game developers. Let’s support our free software game developers with respect and donations. Support free software 3D driver developers with your political support, votes, love, respect, and donations.

    It’s hard to be a free software developer these days. And while many people like the non-free games, I think we could all agree that it would be *BETTER* if that version of Counter-Strike that you love so much gave you the freedom to share it with your neighbors. We would all benefit from free software ATI and nVidia 3D drivers. And we could all benefit from software that continues a legacy of freedom and obedience to the user, not one of secrecy and loyalty to the software company.

    So enjoy your games–free or otherwise–but show the love to your brothers and sisters who’re working hard to develop nifty games and graphics drivers that give you sweet graphics, sweet games, and sweet sweet freedom.

  • http://blog.nixternal.com nixternal

    manchicken, I cannot disagree or argue against that at all. I have the same feelings as you do with this situation and you are 100% correct.

    Also, I stand corrected as well on the term “piracy”. Piracy is stealing cargo at the high seas. People who don’t share are distributing.

    09:14:01 [manchicken] It’s a word introduced by proprietary media providers to marginalize people who engage in socially beneficial activities.
    09:14:20 [manchicken] Just because they can’t figure out how to make money without marginalizing and restricting people.

    ^^ concerning the use of the word “piracy”. Thanks manchicken for opening my eyes correctly.

  • lol….

    linux is easy….but everything you use with linux is NOT easy….eg mp3, dvds, games, chatting, i could go on and on…

    but at least u never really have to restart in linux…..

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